2010 note: please keep in mind as you're reading through this photo-essay, that it was written in 2007, before I was in business and before I discovered the larger midrange horn format for Khorns. A lot has happened between then and now!
"M" Khorns
A Restoration By Greg Roberts July 2007
These poor Khorns need help!
These are in good solid condition overall. I've
noticed some water marking on the bottoms, meaning that they have seen a little bit
of moisture somewhere along the way, but upon close inspection, the plywood has
not delaminated at all, and everything seems o.k. to me. The structure
of the upper and lower cabinets is sound. These are perfect candidates
for a re-veneer job.
Everything works. They have the preferred vintage round-magnet
tweeters and the K-55V midrange. They came with K-33V woofers, which
I've never seen before. I don't think these are original.
They look like K-43's in their construction, more of an industrial woofer with
higher power capacity. I am going to purchase new K-33 replacements.
They have the older style AA crossover networks which work fine but could probably
benefit from an upgrade, which we'll talk about later.
The model as shown on the stickers is K-C-FR. The "K" means
Klipschorn, the "C" is the style of the cabinet (more on that later),
and the "FR" means Fir Raw, which means they were made with Fir plywood with the
top veneer layer being Fir and they
were delivered to the customer without any finish on them.
The serial numbers are 5M680 and 5M681, consecutive.
The "M" in the serial numbers indicates that they were built in 1974.
When Klipsch delivered "Raw" speakers, they didn't finish the backs either.
When Klipsch finished speakers, they would paint the backs black,
which really looked nice. This is going to be done as part of
this restoration.
The grill frames are in great shape, as is the grill cloth, although I think
black grills will look the best with Santos Rosewood, so they will be changed
to black
Here's some more pictures of these speakers in the "before" mode, including
detailed shots of the bad spots. Please do not be alarmed by the
pictures of the chipped veneer and
bad corners, this is all easily repairable with high quality fillers.
One of the most important jobs I do when restoring these speakers is to make sure
the cabinets are completely sound before installing the veneer. I spend
hours carefully removing chips and any loose wood and filling those voids back in
to make sure that the cabinets are as sound as possible before putting the veneer
on.
So, here's what I'll be doing to restore these speakers.
The speakers right now are the "C" style cabinets, which means the top horn
cabinet sits directly on the bass bins. Here's a picture:
The "B" style cabinet has an extra riser, which lifts the top horn
cabinet up off the bass bin by about one inch.
Here's a picture of the "B" style, which is what I plan to change these to.
The veneer is paper-backed, Santos Rosewood from
Oakwood Veneer
I really think this 10mil paper backed veneer is going to work a lot better than
the raw wood veneer I've been working with. I'll have to be careful
about not getting glue on the face of the veneer because I can't do as much cleaning
and sanding as I've been doing. The veneer is already sanded very smooth,
and if I keep it clean, all I'll have to do is a finish sanding with very fine
sandpaper.
I've still got some filling to do on the bass bins to prep for veneer, but
I'm going to start the veneer very soon, probably Monday. Right now I'm
figuring on an April 6th finish date.
Here's a couple of photos of the veneer. Imagine this on the front of
the bass bin!
There are multiple coats of wood filler and
I've done lots of sanding on the bass bins.
I'm spending a lot of time working on the backs of the bass bins that will only
be seen by the new owner before they are installed in the corners! But
I think it's going to be worth it.
I've finally got the bass bins all filled, sanded, and primed. It was
a lot of work doing this, and probably not worth the amount of time I put in.
But the backs of these speakers will look very nice indeed.
Right now I have about 45 hours of work into these, not including the work
on the grills.
I currently have all the panels veneered and all I have left to do with the
veneer is edgebanding. Oh, and the Klipsch Heresy speakers
that I have enough veneer left over for! Anyone for matching
rosewood Heresy rear surrounds?
Tomorrow I'm going to assemble and disassemble the tops and work on
edgebanding.
Here's a couple teaser photos.
A little miscellaneous information. Someone asked for this info on
the materials I've been using. It took two 4 x 8 sheets of
veneer to do the Khorns. I got the veneer from
Oakwood Veneer.
Cost was
about $350. It took a gallon of glue for the veneer on this
project, which was about $50 with shipping. I've gone through about
20 spray cans of primer and paint at a cost of about $5 each, and I've got a
lot more to do. 20 or so razor knife blades, lots of sanding discs,
about one container of Minwax hi-performance wood filler, a couple of band-aids,
about $100 for promotion so far on ebay and Audiogon, I bought a nice Santos
Rosewood board to make the trim boards out of, which was about $100, tape, screws,
lightweight plastic. I guess that's all I can think of right now.
I was lucky and made contact with someone who wanted to trade
my woofers that were in the Khorns originally, one of them blown,
for a pair of beautiful original K-33's. I'll get a picture of them
before I install them in the bass bins.
I made some real good progress.
The bass bins are in the paint room getting a touch up of black paint.
Once that's done, they'll get a final sanding of the veneer and I'll install the
woofers. I purchased really nice wire for the internal wiring of the
Khorns. I'm also using nice banana binding posts for the woofer
connections.
All the pieces are painted now.
Next, I'll do the final sanding on all the veneer.
Other materials or items that I used for this project, continuing from the list
from before (someone asked):
Cleanwoode, which is a mixture of solvents, I bought new filters
for my respirator today for $30, sanding sponges, blue tape, polyurethane glue,
dust masks, cleaning rags. That's all I can think of right now.
I've been working on a pair
of Heresy's for the last couple of days and I've got them in the paint room
right now. Tomorrow I'll be starting the finish sanding on the Khorn
pieces. Wish me luck, there's always the risk of sanding through the
veneer. UGGGGGGHHHH!
Here's a couple of pictures of the Heresy's. I had just enough veneer
left over from the Khorns to do three sides of each of these. I don't
usually do Heresy restorations because they don't sell for enough money to cover
the hours that it takes to do the work. But I decided to do these ones
because I had the veneer and this particular pair came to me
in pretty rough shape, just calling to me for help!
The Heresy's have all the veneer on now and they're getting painted tomorrow,
so they'll be caught right up with the Khorns.
It's getting exciting, I'll be putting finish on the Khorns and Heresy's next week!
The sanding is done, I've cleaned the shop thoroughly, and I've got all the
speakers and parts set up and ready for finish. Sorry there's no
new pictures, I didn't see the sense since they don't look any different.
I'll take pictures after the first coat of finish goes on.
I'm going to put
urethane on all the various pieces of the Mkhorns, the rosewood Heresy's, a
pair of Walnut Heresy's that I refinished recently, and another pair of rosewood
Khorns (Tkhorns) that I restored about two years ago, all at the same time.
I originally put an oil finish on the Tkhorns but I didn't like the way
the finish came out,
so I've been letting them dry in my dry house for the last two years and it's
now safe to put a urethane over them. The Tkhorns have also been
sold to a gentleman in Boise, Idaho.
All of these speakers and parts
will get various levels of cleaning and prep for the urethane and I should be
able to get the first coat on tomorrow. For the next 4 days, my
shop will be
very "still", to keep the dust down while doing this finish work.
I'll sand with
400 grit between coats and put a coat of urethane on once each day.
The pictures today aren't very good because of the lighting, but I think
you'll get the idea. The grain really POPS now with the finish.
There's just nothing like Rosewood, it's formal, rich, tasteful,
interesting, and just plain beautiful.
Update 5/1/07
The "T" Khorns made it into the shop today and got their first coat.
These are Khorns that I re-veneered a while ago, in raw wood veneer.
These really have some beautiful veneer. This is raw wood Brazilian
rosewood, and I did have issues with bubbling veneer when I installed it.
The glue and the raw wood veneer just didn't work well together. The paper-backed
veneer with the Heatlock glue that I'm using here on the "M" Khorns really does work a lot better.
I think the finish is done now. I'm going to make a close
inspection this weekend and if they need one more coat I'll wrap it up this
weekend. Next is the assembly of parts. We're waiting for
the new mid horns, new tweeters, and new crossovers to be delivered, which could
take a few weeks.
5/5/07 update
5/13/07 update
There are three different options on these for the front bottom trim.
Klipsch originally had a straight piece of solid hardwood trim at the bottom of the
bass bins, about 1/2" thick and 2-1/4" tall. I've done something a little
different, but it will be up to the new owner as to which he would prefer.
Option #1 is with no trim.
Option #2 is with two trim pieces like this. These are solid rosewood
trim pieces, ripped at a slight angle to represent the horn-loading of the
speakers. The edges have a very slight bevel applied that create a tiny
"V" where they butt together.
Option #3 is with the two trim pieces like this.
Which do you prefer? Please email below and let me know.
I'm testing and installing drivers next.
I've been cleaning and assembling parts.
Here's a few pictures of what the woofers look like. This was a lucky
find, a great old pair of K33's. Thanks "speakerfritz".
I installed screen on the backs of the bass bins.
Installed a small wood trim piece to cover the staples.
Gold plated connectors all around, and new 12ga twisted-pair wiring.
The Trachorns showed up the other day, but I haven't unpacked them yet.
I'm installing all the original components and I'll test the speakers that way
first before I get into installing any upgrades.
5/21/07 update
I found some great material to seal the backs of the bass bins into the corner
walls. This is a garage door weatherstrip made of very soft rubber.
I made new brackets to hold the midrange horns.
I'm using a pair of Bob Crites "A" crossovers for testing.
Internal woofer wiring is soldered. External wiring is 12 guage
twisted pair and gold plated connectors.
The front bottom trim is permanently attached now.
Not quite in the corner tightly, but they fill my 24 x 32 room very nicely just
the same. I got about 60 or 70 watts into them with the HK930.
I got the Trachorns unpacked today. These are from
ALK Engineering, and they are very nicely made. The workmanship
is first rate. My only critique would be that I think there should be
more staples holding the grill cloth on.
I just got word that the ES networks will be shipped next week. Still waiting
on the Beyma tweeters from Italy.
With the new owners permission, I'm going to be able to move the Khorns to my house
for testing with the various components. Thanks Sergei for letting me do this.
What a great opportunity to try out the ES networks, the Trachorns, and Beyma
tweeters, all in various configurations with different power amps. I'll have to
set aside most of a day for all of this and send the wife out shopping.
Here's a photo of the crossovers in my living room just waiting for the Khorns
to arrive. The Khorn in the background is a 2/3rds scale mini Khorn,
built just like a real Khorn but with a 12" woofer, a smaller midrange horn, and
"B" crossovers out of Cornwalls. They really sound nice, but they need
a little more power than my SET amps put out, and they are not imaging well
in my 22' long living room.
The Beyma tweeters finally showed up. I was surprised by how big and
heavy they are. They seem nicely made.
Bob Crites was nice enough to send me a pair of his CT-125 replacement tweeters for the Klipsch
K-77 to try out during my testing.
These are highly regarded by the Klipsch Forum members who have
purchased them. It will be interesting to compare to the Beyma's.
I also decided to get a pair of Bob Crites cast-frame woofers that are made to
replace the K-33's.
Update 6/23/07
Here's a picture of the living room full of speaker parts and furniture moved all
around to give me an unobstructed audition of the speakers.
First of all, I have to say that these speakers look spectacular in my living room.
It's different having them in a home environment than it is to have them
at my shop. I've had Khorns in this room for over 15 years, so I've gotten
used to seeing them in the corners, but none have looked as beautiful as these.
I'm referring to the wood grain of the veneer more so than the workmanship.
Sorry for the horrible pictures, but the lighting in my living room is not good for
photography.
I squeezed a few more components in with the regulars to do the testing.
I'll be using the same source for all my testing. It's a combination of
a Denon 1650AR used as a transport (which weighs about 20 lbs.), a MSB Link DAC III
with Full Nelson upgrade, HDCD card, 24 bit/96khz upsampling, a separate P-1000 power
supply, and a Monarchy anti-jitter box. I'll be using a Creek Audio OBH-10
passive remote controlled attenuated volume control for all testing.
I decided to do the bass listening tests first and change out the K-33 woofers for
the new Bob Crites replacements. I wanted more power for this, so I used
a McIntosh MC2100. I was going to use a McIntosh C28 preamp too, but decided
against it, so there is no preamp with this system. Signal goes from the
CD player to the remote volume to the amplifier. I set the volume pots on
the amplifier so that the remote volume control would be at full. This way
I would be comparing the same volume level for all songs and for both woofers.
I played 4 different songs, switched the woofers over in about an hour, and listened
to the same 4 songs again.
Right away I noticed an improvement in bass response as compared to my last
Khorns I had in this room. Perhaps sealing the backs of the bass bins
against the walls does help.
I did not notice much of a difference between the old K-33's and the new Bob
Crites replacement woofers in the amount of bass or the extension of low
frequencies. But there was one noticeable difference, and
that is with the upper bass and mid-bass frequencies. The Crites woofers
blended better with the mid horns. Instruments like horns, organ, and
guitar playing in the lower registers all
sounded warmer. I particularly noticed
the difference with the saxophone in the Bennie Wallace piece. Nice sounding
woofers, but don't expect big improvements by changing woofers unless yours are
damaged to begin with.
Update 6/24/07
I used two different amplifiers for this test. I started with my custom
JFL Horus 2A3 Single Ended Triode Tube Monoblocs. These put out about
2 watts per channel and they have the best midrange sound I've ever heard.
No preamplifier. The Khorns had the stock K55/K400midrange
and K77 tweeters, the new Crites
woofers, and new Crites "A" replacement crossovers. Now, my SET's don't
have the best bass output, so I kept my music selections pretty light weight.
I started with a
Chesky production of Beethoven Symphony No.9 recorded in 1961, remastered in 1992.
I listed to the third movement, about 12 minutes long. I then
played a couple of Jimmy Ponder tunes, "Since I Fell For You" and "Sunshine" from
"Something To Ponder", 1996. These have terrific electric jazz guitar
sounds. Lastly I chose "Blue Rondo A La Turk" and "Take Five" from Dave
Brubeck Quartet "Time out". This recording is and older recording,
so it's another good test to see which crossovers gave the most pleasant sound.
After listening to those tunes, I then switched over to my rebuilt Scott 299 A
integrated amplifier. This is a great sounding unit that puts out about
17 watts per channel. I tweaked the bass up +1 and left everything else
flat. Music choices became more demanding. I played "Gaslighting
Abbie" from Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature", a song I'm very familiar with.
It has a very tight and pronounced kick drum sound, deep bass, and intricate layering
of instruments and vocals. Then I put on "Back In The High Life Again" by
Steve Winwood. This disc is a Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs disc that is
really well recorded. This particular song has a great mix of synthesizer
sounds, and it is a very crisp recording. I ended with a tune called
"Stolen Car" off the "Sacred Love" CD by Sting. This CD has loads of great
bass, and this particular tune has a huge synthesized bass and kick drum.
The bass is over the top and a real good test.
So I listened to these six tunes on the two different systems with the "A" crossovers
and then switched the crossovers out for the ALK ES networks. It only
took me about 10 minutes to switch the crossovers. After the
switch, I kept the Scott hooked up and played the last song first. I was
very excited because I had heard so much about the ALK networks and here I was finally
getting a chance to hear them. So on comes the Sting tune and immediately
I can tell that the sound is different. The midrange is softer, maybe
smoother, but I can't really tell for sure. Then I'm thinking that the
bass is more laid back too, not as punchy. The highs seem very smooth and
nice sounding. So is this an improvement? It wasn't readily
apparent to me. I listened to the Winwood tune and really felt as though
the bass wasn't punching through as much, and I also felt as though the lack of
midrange was taking away from the impact and dynamics of the music.
So after about 10 minutes, I switched the crossovers back to the "A" replacements
and listened to the same songs again with the Scott amp. Immediately
the music seemed to have more impact, more punch, but at the same time it had a
harshness to it.
So I switched back to the ALK ES networks, still with the Scott amp and this time
I stuck with the Winwood song to try to figure out what it was that I was hearing
different. It was then that I realized that the bass was actually extending
deeper. I don't know how this can be, but the ALK's definately extend the
bass deeper than with the A's, but it seemed softer and less punchy, so again, I don't
know if this is an improvement. The midrange is also less
harsh with the ALK's, sort of like they equalize out the upper midrange a bit.
The "voicing" of the speaker was now lower, deeper, and more laid back.
But is this having something to do with my perception of less dynamic
sound? Maybe it's just that the midrange horn output is lower and that is
what seems to be smoothing out the midrange. I'm still left with the question of
whether this is an improvement.
Next, I switched over to the SET amps and listened to Beethoven's Symphony
No.9 again. Now this sounded better to me. Just a tad more
bass than the A's and the sound really did seem a lot smoother. I
then put the Ponder and Brubeck tunes on
again and noticed the same improvements to midrange smoothness and extended bass.
So at this point I'm thinking we have an improvement, but I'm also
wondering what the ALK Universal networks sound like.
Next up were the Bob Crites replacement tweeters with the ALK ES networks.
The tweeters went in very easily using the same holes as the K-77's. The
magnet just barely fit under the top, scraping against the top as I pushed the front
grill back into the Khorn top. I was not able to detect much difference
between these replacements and the K-77's. That is to say, both sounded
very good to my ears. Now, my ears are older and it's possible that I don't
hear very high frequencies as well as some others.
The last thing I changed today was the midrange horns to the ALK Trachorns,
and the tweeters to the Beyma CP25's. The switchover went fairly well and only
took me about an hour. I had to very carefully push the wood horn back
into the Khorn top, as it just barely fit under the top brace.
I had to move one of the braces that holds the top of the speaker at the back so the
midrange horn could fit in.
I think at this point I was getting tired. After playing with the
midrange and tweeter output on the ES networks, I really didn't notice a lot of
difference in sound quality. I'm going to do some more listening and
tweaking through the week before I give my final thoughts on the sound of these
upgrades.
By the way, every combination of music, amplifiers, and speaker components that
I listened to today sounded terrific. The Khorn is an amazing speaker that
is capable of reproducing sound in a very dynamic and moving way, whether with stock
components or with these different components. I believe
Paul Klipsch knew exactly what he was doing when he chose the components and crossovers
for the Khorn. He had decades of time to work on tweaking the Khorn, and he
changed very little over that time span. As I said before, maybe it's just
that I'm fatigued, but if someone were to ask me to summarize my experience today, I
would say that in the end, after all the upgrades were installed, the sound was just
different, not necessarily better than the stock Khorn that I started with this
morning. If better, not by much.
As I think about what I heard with the ES networks, I'm left wondering if simply
putting a resistor in line with the midrange driver to lower the output, or tweaking
the transformer taps to lower the output might not have the same affect. I
do think the low bass extended deeper with the ES networks,
but I also think the sound lost some punch and dynamics. The Trachorns
just seemed like they were putting out less sound too.
After I tweaked the crossovers to turn the horn back up, it pretty much sounded just
like the K400, which means it's really the same stock K55 driver that I'm hearing.
The Beyma tweeters did sound nice to me.
I'm very tempted to do another listening session with all the upgrades and then
change everything back to stock and listen again.
Update 7/7/07
But this description is consistent with how I would describe stock Khorns too.
I'm still not convinced that all these upgrades are actually making
much of an improvement in the sound quality. I'm noticing differences that could
be interpreted to be improvements for sure.
There is a difference between speakers that sound nice and speakers that
are accurately reproducing the input.
I've had people listen to my Khorns and other Klipsch speakers and not like the sound
of them. One person in
particular who I've known for quite a few years,
prefers his Vandersteen speakers to my Khorns. If you've ever heard
Vandersteen speakers, you know that they are a great sounding speaker, and very
different from horn-loaded speakers. I would
describe them as being "nice", "pleasant", and "soft" sounding. I can fully
understand why someone would prefer them over the sometimes "harsh", very "real", "dynamic",
"live", "in-your-face" horn-loaded Klipsch speakers.
I think these upgrades that are installed in
the Khorns, especially the ES networks, are actually changing the voicing of the speaker
a little
towards "nice", "pleasant", and "soft", and a little away from "harsh", "dynamic", and
"in-your-face". Is that bad or good? Only the listener can be
the judge. In my opinion, some of the dynamic impact goes away as the
character of the Khorn is changed to be "softer" and "nicer" sounding.
I've been asked if there are any of these upgrades that I would consider a "must
have" for anyone who owns Khorns. My answer has to be no. It's
going to depend on how much money you are willing to spend, and no matter what I or
anyone else tells you about the upgrades, it's still going to be an experiment, because
we all hear sound differently, and we all have our own idea of what sounds best.
But I will say this. My experience with each of these upgrades has been
positive, in that they all were very well engineered, very well built, and were easy
to replace. The people who are doing this very specialized work to provide
us Klipschophiles with unique possibilities are to be commended. Bob Crites
is providing really good replacement crossovers and crossover cap kits at very
reasonable prices. He's providing us with a very good quality replacement
tweeter, that to my ears sounds every bit as good as the K-77, and perhaps even a
tad better. The cast-frame replacement woofers that Bob sells are very
nice, and after a couple weeks of listening to them, something is producing more bass
output than I've ever heard from my Khorns. It's either the crossovers or the
woofers, or both. I'm not one to believe in "break-in", but that may be
my experience with these woofers, because they sound better now than when I first
installed them.
The Trachorns are very well built wooden horns. I've changed so many
things over that it's hard to say for sure what impact these are having on the
resulting sound quality when compared to the ES networks for instance. My
only complaint with these is that I think the grill cloth should be put on a bit
straighter and with a few more staples.
The Beyma tweeters sound great. Lush is the word that comes to mind.
I have mixed feelings about the ES networks. First, they are incredibly
well built and the sheer number of components is impressive. If there's
ever any question about why they cost so much, that will be put to rest when you
unpack these things and arrange them on your kitchen table. They should cost
more than they do. So there's no doubt that you're getting your money's
worth in engineering, parts, and labor, but what about improved sound quality?
Again, this is a subjective thing, and to my ears, the sound was just different,
not necessarily better. I really liked how you could
change the tweeter and midrange horn outputs. I settled on the next to
the highest setting for the tweeter, and the 2-5 setting on the midrange.
I certainly noticed a correlation between how loud I had the midrange set and how
much dynamic impact I was getting from the speaker, which leads me to wonder if simply
finding a way to adjust the midrange output on the stock Khorn wouldn't also provide
similar results but at a far lower cost. One last thought on the ES networks,
with louder
volume levels or less-than-high-quality recordings, the "softer", "more pleasant" sound
was appreciated. I believe the same could be said about Vandersteen or
similar nice soft sounding speakers.
I have to say that there's something that I like about the simplicity of the "A"
crossovers and how they just let the music through, unfettered, open, dynamic, and
yes, sometimes harsh.
I'm sorry for being so long-winded, or for any contridictions that there may be
in my analysis of all this stuff. This was a lot to take in, and I've
tried to give you my impressions of these upgrades as honestly and objectively as
possible.
I am currently without any of my own Khorns, having sold the two pair that are
shown here in these webpages. I have another pair ready to restore for
myself.
Update 7/28/07
Crating materials
Update 8/20/07
Here's some photos of the crating process.
The crate weighed in at 835 pounds!
Here's the "Glamour Shots".
These speakers were sold to a gentleman in Moscow, Russia.
This next series of photos had me smiling from ear to ear! It
was very exciting to see my crate being opened up half a world
away. I could sense the anticipation on the other end as they were
opening it up.
The crate wasn't designed to be on it's side, but I guess it worked fine.
The speakers arrived in perfect condition. The crate was NOT
opened during it's journey, which took about 2-1/2 months.
They had to go all the way up to the third floor.
Sergei is building a beautiful new home in a village just 15 miles from
Moscow, right on the Moscow River.
Here, a worker is making one of the false corners.
Here they are in the listening room. A temporary setup as the home
is still under construction.
The buyer's first email to me after receiving the speakers:
Dear Greg, The newspaper Sergei is referring to is the Rolling Stone magazine that has "THE"
Klipsch article in it. The book is an autographed copy of the PWK Biography.
Overall this was a wonderful project to work on. I can't thank Sergei
enough, he was such a pleasure to deal with. The results are what
matter most to me. I have a happy customer who's enjoying a pair of
great sounding and great looking speakers. I got to save another pair
of Khorns and I made a few bucks doing it.
I appreciate that so many of you have clicked the email link below to let me know
that you've viewed this webpage.
If you've viewed this page and would like to let me know, please send me an
email.
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